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Post by roxiescallion on May 24, 2015 22:56:45 GMT
it's different if people disliked his actions of lying to her in the final scene of 10x19, "villanizing" (idk if that word exists lol, autocorrect doesn't seem to give me better suggestions so eh) him for his actions is completely unfair. and the same goes with brennan's actions of kicking him out, you can dislike it, but making her the bad guy in all of this is not right.
i completely agree about the storyline in this season part. if anything, having booth lie to her right up till 9x04 (even with her knowing that they were all for very good reasons in the end) and then later on in the same season, having the gambling storyline with him lying to her again would have been too much for her imo. and honestly, it would have been a complete waste of a good storyline if the writers hadn't gone down this path after introducing his gambling problem from i think, s2??? (i know he told her about it in 5x16, but i think the first time us viewers ever learnt of it was in 2x08)?
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Post by seeleybooth on May 24, 2015 23:04:27 GMT
it's different if people disliked his actions of lying to her in the final scene of 10x19, "villanizing" (idk if that word exists lol, autocorrect doesn't seem to give me better suggestions so eh) him for his actions is completely unfair. and the same goes with brennan's actions of kicking him out, you can dislike it, but making her the bad guy in all of this is not right. i completely agree about the storyline in this season part. if anything, having booth lie to her right up till 9x04 (even with her knowing that they were all for very good reasons in the end) and then later on in the same season, having the gambling storyline with him lying to her again would have been too much for her imo. and honestly, it would have been a complete waste of a good storyline if the writers hadn't gone down this path after introducing his gambling problem from i think, s2??? (i know he told her about it in 5x16, but i think the first time us viewers ever learnt of it was in 2x08)? I agree, although for me I feel like Booth lying is a part of the addiction. It hurts so bad that Booth lied to her and I know a lot of people are really pissed that he did that and 'why couldn't he just tell her the truth' but lying is self preservation. He was protecting himself, as twisted as it is. So for me, I don't really agree with people being pissed at him for that. It's sad and it sucks but I'm not "angry" at him if that makes sense. IDK just my opinion. I can't remember when we first learn about his gambling. In 2x08 Brennan mentions that she forgot he was a "degenerate gambler" but I feel like it was mentioned before that?? I honestly can't remember. Another reason to rewatch again haha |
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Post by roxiescallion on May 24, 2015 23:39:24 GMT
yeah, it does make sense. tbh, i was never angry at either one of them, sure it hurt like you said, having him lie to her like that, and while i'm ok with people disliking him for what he did there as long as they did not villanize him for his gambling problem, i guess i sort of expected that he would lie to her when she finally confronted him with it, hence why i wasn't, like, shocked and angry like others were - just sad. but also having hope from knowing that they would get through this eventually (that new kiss from the 11 kisses vid is proof of that anyway).
yeah exactly! that's why i was hesitant about saying it's from 2x08, bc i too feel like it was somewhat mentioned in s1. idk. i'm hoping that i get to do a full rewatch, at least the whole month of july that i'd get off from uni would allow me to complete like, the first 3 seasons maybe, but after that, idk, i really want to do and complete a full rewatch before s11 starts though.
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Post by bren on May 25, 2015 16:13:35 GMT
yeah, it does make sense. tbh, i was never angry at either one of them, sure it hurt like you said, having him lie to her like that, and while i'm ok with people disliking him for what he did there as long as they did not villanize him for his gambling problem, i guess i sort of expected that he would lie to her when she finally confronted him with it, hence why i wasn't, like, shocked and angry like others were - just sad. but also having hope from knowing that they would get through this eventually (that new kiss from the 11 kisses vid is proof of that anyway). yeah exactly! that's why i was hesitant about saying it's from 2x08, bc i too feel like it was somewhat mentioned in s1. idk. i'm hoping that i get to do a full rewatch, at least the whole month of july that i'd get off from uni would allow me to complete like, the first 3 seasons maybe, but after that, idk, i really want to do and complete a full rewatch before s11 starts though. I didn’t really feel angry with Booth either. More like disappointed. I really wanted him to come clean but I knew what was going to happen too. And I think Brennan reacted very practically. It was almost like she had a plan. She got her evidence via Aubrey. She praised him when he got home about his actions. She gave him a chance to come clean on his own. Then she stressed how important truth was to her. Unfortunately he just wasn’t in a place where he could be honest. I don’t think she had much of a choice. I don’t understand making either of them villains. Its a serious issue that people face. Booth has a problem... that doesn’t mean he is bad. And if Brennan kicks him out that doesn’t mean she wants him to suffer. There is a difference between helping an addict and being an enabler. Booth’s going to need to want help before Brennan can try to help him. I definitely remember the gambling being referenced in S1-- Soliders on the Grave. His friend Hank asks him if he is still gambling. Brennan also brought up Booth’s “big gambling problem” in 2x01. |
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Post by gravelyhumerus on May 25, 2015 23:03:46 GMT
yeah, it does make sense. tbh, i was never angry at either one of them, sure it hurt like you said, having him lie to her like that, and while i'm ok with people disliking him for what he did there as long as they did not villanize him for his gambling problem, i guess i sort of expected that he would lie to her when she finally confronted him with it, hence why i wasn't, like, shocked and angry like others were - just sad. but also having hope from knowing that they would get through this eventually (that new kiss from the 11 kisses vid is proof of that anyway). yeah exactly! that's why i was hesitant about saying it's from 2x08, bc i too feel like it was somewhat mentioned in s1. idk. i'm hoping that i get to do a full rewatch, at least the whole month of july that i'd get off from uni would allow me to complete like, the first 3 seasons maybe, but after that, idk, i really want to do and complete a full rewatch before s11 starts though. I didn’t really feel angry with Booth either. More like disappointed. I really wanted him to come clean but I knew what was going to happen too. And I think Brennan reacted very practically. It was almost like she had a plan. She got her evidence via Aubrey. She praised him when he got home about his actions. She gave him a chance to come clean on his own. Then she stressed how important truth was to her. Unfortunately he just wasn’t in a place where he could be honest. I don’t think she had much of a choice. I don’t understand making either of them villains. Its a serious issue that people face. Booth has a problem... that doesn’t mean he is bad. And if Brennan kicks him out that doesn’t mean she wants him to suffer. There is a difference between helping an addict and being an enabler. Booth’s going to need to want help before Brennan can try to help him. I definitely remember the gambling being referenced in S1-- Soliders on the Grave. His friend Hank asks him if he is still gambling. Brennan also brought up Booth’s “big gambling problem” in 2x01. Im not sure if it is canon or fanon that Booth quit gambling when he met Brennan... cause I distinctly remember reading or seeing that somewhere. Something about how it was like love at first sight or something? idk can anyone else confirm/deny that? |
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Post by bren on May 26, 2015 3:59:16 GMT
I didn’t really feel angry with Booth either. More like disappointed. I really wanted him to come clean but I knew what was going to happen too. And I think Brennan reacted very practically. It was almost like she had a plan. She got her evidence via Aubrey. She praised him when he got home about his actions. She gave him a chance to come clean on his own. Then she stressed how important truth was to her. Unfortunately he just wasn’t in a place where he could be honest. I don’t think she had much of a choice. I don’t understand making either of them villains. Its a serious issue that people face. Booth has a problem... that doesn’t mean he is bad. And if Brennan kicks him out that doesn’t mean she wants him to suffer. There is a difference between helping an addict and being an enabler. Booth’s going to need to want help before Brennan can try to help him. I definitely remember the gambling being referenced in S1-- Soliders on the Grave. His friend Hank asks him if he is still gambling. Brennan also brought up Booth’s “big gambling problem” in 2x01. Im not sure if it is canon or fanon that Booth quit gambling when he met Brennan... cause I distinctly remember reading or seeing that somewhere. Something about how it was like love at first sight or something? idk can anyone else confirm/deny that? Its canon. But that only got revealed to us later. In the 5x16 (aka the 100th episode) they take us to a flashback of the first time B&B met. At that point Booth’s gambling problem seemed to be a big issue because he was spending the whole night at pool halls and coming into work right after. Cam called him out on having a problem but he denied it. He starts working with Brennan but then has to fire her. So he gets them both drunk, at which point she suggests they can sleep together. But before they kiss, he confesses to having gambling problem but tells her he was dealing with it. When she asked why-- he said that he felt like they were going somewhere. They kiss but then she runs away saying they can’t sleep together because of tequila. Then we see Booth look at the pool hall sign but decides to walk away. So the assumption is Brennan was the inspiration to start dealing with his gambling problem. |
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Post by seeleybooth on May 28, 2015 17:37:29 GMT
yeah, it does make sense. tbh, i was never angry at either one of them, sure it hurt like you said, having him lie to her like that, and while i'm ok with people disliking him for what he did there as long as they did not villanize him for his gambling problem, i guess i sort of expected that he would lie to her when she finally confronted him with it, hence why i wasn't, like, shocked and angry like others were - just sad. but also having hope from knowing that they would get through this eventually (that new kiss from the 11 kisses vid is proof of that anyway). yeah exactly! that's why i was hesitant about saying it's from 2x08, bc i too feel like it was somewhat mentioned in s1. idk. i'm hoping that i get to do a full rewatch, at least the whole month of july that i'd get off from uni would allow me to complete like, the first 3 seasons maybe, but after that, idk, i really want to do and complete a full rewatch before s11 starts though. I didn’t really feel angry with Booth either. More like disappointed. I really wanted him to come clean but I knew what was going to happen too. And I think Brennan reacted very practically. It was almost like she had a plan. She got her evidence via Aubrey. She praised him when he got home about his actions. She gave him a chance to come clean on his own. Then she stressed how important truth was to her. Unfortunately he just wasn’t in a place where he could be honest. I don’t think she had much of a choice. I don’t understand making either of them villains. Its a serious issue that people face. Booth has a problem... that doesn’t mean he is bad. And if Brennan kicks him out that doesn’t mean she wants him to suffer. There is a difference between helping an addict and being an enabler. Booth’s going to need to want help before Brennan can try to help him. I definitely remember the gambling being referenced in S1-- Soliders on the Grave. His friend Hank asks him if he is still gambling. Brennan also brought up Booth’s “big gambling problem” in 2x01. Thank you! I couldn't remember when they mentioned it before 2x08 but I knew they had. And I completely agree with you about the whole gambling situation. Nicely said. |
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